Since we moved to Iowa in '97, getting a "White Christmas" has always been a
dicey affair. Regular warm(ish) weather fronts and little snow has pretty
much been the rule, and we often had a "brown Christmas" -- much to the
dismay of my kids.

This year is looking dramatically different. We've already had temperatures
below zero throughout the Midwest, we've already had two significant
snowfalls -- with more predicted for today -- and it's not even technically
"winter" yet...

Snowmobilers, skiers, and kids are ecstatic -- and that ski-plane conversion
kit isn't looking so silly, either!

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:
> Since we moved to Iowa in '97, getting a "White Christmas" has always been a
> dicey affair. Regular warm(ish) weather fronts and little snow has pretty
> much been the rule, and we often had a "brown Christmas" -- much to the
> dismay of my kids.
>
> This year is looking dramatically different. We've already had temperatures
> below zero throughout the Midwest, we've already had two significant
> snowfalls -- with more predicted for today -- and it's not even technically
> "winter" yet...
>
> Snowmobilers, skiers, and kids are ecstatic -- and that ski-plane conversion
> kit isn't looking so silly, either!

Is a ski-plane covered under ASES or ASEL?

Jay Honeck > wrote:

> This year is looking dramatically different. We've already had temperatures
> below zero throughout the Midwest, we've already had two significant
> snowfalls -- with more predicted for today -- and it's not even technically
> "winter" yet...

Not sure where it states that it technically needs to be winter for snow
accumulation. :-)

--
Peter
Downwind of a Great Lake where we have already had over two feet, starting
a week before turkey day.

Stubby,

Skiplanes are land planes (ASEL or AME), no additional rating is
required to fly on skis, although there are enough things that can go
wrong that a good checkout is wise.

All the best,
Rick

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> Stubby,
>
> Skiplanes are land planes (ASEL or AME), no additional rating is
> required to fly on skis, although there are enough things that can go
> wrong that a good checkout is wise.
>
> All the best,
> Rick
>

It always seemed odd to me that skis do not require at least an endorsement.
There is infinately more variability in snow than in water..

Mike
MU-2

> Not sure where it states that it technically needs to be winter for snow
> accumulation. :-)

Here's what the place looks like -- and there's more snow on the way!

http://www.alexisparkinn.com/2005_december_snow.htm
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

We had snow here in Virgina a few weeks ago, but by morning it was gone.

Mike wrote:
>It always seemed odd to me that skis do not require at least an endorsement.
>There is infinately more variability in snow than in water..

How do they(skiplanes and amphips) stop w/o breaks? Do they just wait
until the momentum is used up?

You're not thinking about putting the Mit on skis are you Mike?

> Gees!.... you've got a LOT more snow than we do! Ground is bare here in a
> few spots, the remainder is covered with only 1"-3".

And it's snowing here again right now...

I *knew* we'd pay for that nice, long, hot, VFR-every-day summer!

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Calgary Flying Club live video - minus 19 C at 19:35 Z today.

http://www.calgaryflyingclub.com/frame_webcam_parkinglot.asp

Brrrr.

Marc


"Flyingmonk" > wrote in message
ps.com...
> We had snow here in Virgina a few weeks ago, but by morning it was gone.
>

"Mike Rapoport" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> It always seemed odd to me that skis do not require at least an
> endorsement. There is infinately more variability in snow than in water..

Granted, not having flown a skiplane I admit I only know half the equation.
However, it would surprise me if snow is even significantly more variable
than water, never mind "infinitely".

The extremely wide variety of landing conditions water presents is one of
the primary challenges of flying seaplanes.

Whether skiplanes should require their own rating or not, that's a different
issue. But I am inclined to disagree with any implication that skiplanes
are somehow MORE challenging than seaplanes.

Pete

Gees!.... you've got a LOT more snow than we do! Ground is bare here in a
few spots, the remainder is covered with only 1"-3".
Jim

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> > Not sure where it states that it technically needs to be winter for snow
> > accumulation. :-)
>
> Here's what the place looks like -- and there's more snow on the way!
>
> http://www.alexisparkinn.com/2005_december_snow.htm
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>

> Gees!.... you've got a LOT more snow than we do! Ground is bare here in a
> few spots, the remainder is covered with only 1"-3".

That is what our forecast is for OH.
The low pressure system is to pass along the TN-KY border.
Our temps are to range from mid-teens to mid-20's.

Marc wrote:
>Calgary Flying Club live video - minus 19 C

-19C, Holy Cow!

Flyingmonk wrote:

> Marc wrote:
>
>>Calgary Flying Club live video - minus 19 C
>
>
> -19C, Holy Cow!

That's not even cold.

("Jim Burns" wrote)
> Gees!.... you've got a LOT more snow than we do! Ground is bare here in a
> few spots, the remainder is covered with only 1"-3".


Big flakes falling right now in the Twin Cities. Much snow on house roofs
and on the ground. Much light fluffy snow so far this year --- oh, and some
freezing rain under all of it, so it's still a little slick out there.

Ten years ago we would have headed out to a State Park for a 2-hour hike on
a postcard day like today. Instead, we'll be heading over to the movies this
afternoon for the (1/2 price) "Super Bargain Matinee" ...$4 for the last
show before 6 pm.

Walk The Line (Johnny and June Carter Cash story)
http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/walk_the_line/large.html


Montblack

"Jay Honeck" > wrote>

> Snowmobilers, skiers, and kids are ecstatic -- and that ski-plane
conversion
> kit isn't looking so silly, either!

You need to get a repositional ski setup, for the Pathfinder.

Send us pictures when you get it done. <g>
--
Jim in NC

On Sat, 3 Dec 2005 15:06:30 -0600, Montblack wrote:

> ("Jim Burns" wrote)
>> Gees!.... you've got a LOT more snow than we do! Ground is bare here in a
>> few spots, the remainder is covered with only 1"-3".
>
>
> Big flakes falling right now in the Twin Cities. Much snow on house roofs
> and on the ground. Much light fluffy snow so far this year --- oh, and some
> freezing rain under all of it, so it's still a little slick out there.

We have a windchill of 76 degrees in the Magnolia state with 25 knot winds.
Brr, may have to break out the wind breaker.

Even managed to get in some approaches LOL today.

Allen

> > Gees!.... you've got a LOT more snow than we do! Ground is bare here in a
> > few spots, the remainder is covered with only 1"-3".
>
>
> Big flakes falling right now in the Twin Cities. Much snow on house roofs
> and on the ground. Much light fluffy snow so far this year --- oh, and some
> freezing rain under all of it, so it's still a little slick out there.

Depends on when you view this, of course, but at 3:15 PM CST, the view
from this live web-cam, aimed less than a mile from here, looked like a
blizzard:

http://webcam.iowa.uiowa.edu/pentacamcur.html
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay,

Don't count on cold weather bringing in snow. My sister-in-law lives
in Baudette, Minnesota, where there are very little snow. It was just
way too cold in that region for snow. There is a sign at International
Falls airport proclaiming that region being the icebox of the US.

If you move to someplace the UP in Michigan, you are guaranteed to
have a whilte chirstmas. We lived in Houghton, MI for 2 years and had
to use snow scoop to remove snow almost every day. The record high
seasonal total of 355.90 inches was recorded in the winter of 1978-1979
(measured at the airport).
..
Hai Longworth

> If you move to someplace the UP in Michigan, you are guaranteed to
> have a whilte chirstmas. We lived in Houghton, MI for 2 years and had
> to use snow scoop to remove snow almost every day. The record high
> seasonal total of 355.90 inches was recorded in the winter of 1978-1979
> (measured at the airport).

You lived in HOUGHTON? Wow, you're a lot tougher than you look!
:-)

The only people crazier than Yoopers are the folks who choose to live
in Buffalo, NY. I read that they got three FEET of snow there last
week!

I lived in Wisconsin, on the shores of Lake Michigan, for 39 years
(including that awful, endless winter of '78-'79), so I know about snow
-- but IMHO people are just plain nuts to live where snow depth is
measured in yards...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

It's much tougher to deal with lake effect snow in areas along the
lakeshores in Michigan LP than in the UP. It was no big deal to
remove the fluffly dry snow and the roads there were plowed regularly.


Our daughter was born in the UP. I still have fond memories of
the area & looking back, the time we spent there was quite idyllic.
The UP is a beautiful area with beautiful lakeshores, forests,
waterfalls and there are plenty of outdoor activities to enjoy year
around.

Hai Longworth

It's much tougher to deal with lake effect snow in areas along the
lakeshores in Michigan LP than in the UP. It was no big deal to
remove the fluffly dry snow and the roads there were plowed regularly.


Our daughter was born in the UP. I still have fond memories of
the area & looking back, the time we spent there was quite idyllic.
The UP is a beautiful area with beautiful lakeshores, forests,
waterfalls and there are plenty of outdoor activities to enjoy year
around.

Hai Longworth

> No ice or freezing rain. I suspect as the evening wears on, the flakes will
> get bigger. As I look out the window now, ground vis is about 1 1/2 miles
> in a frosty fog with very fine snow falling.

----------------------------------------
METAR KIOW 21:52Z 12/03/05
KIOW 032152Z AUTO 03006KT 1/2SM SN VV005
M04/M07 A2992 RMK AO2 SLP140 P0003 T10391067

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

> We have a windchill of 76 degrees in the Magnolia state with 25 knot winds.
> Brr, may have to break out the wind breaker.

There's an old joke about how temperature affects people from various
states... (at 30 below Minnisotans put on their T-shirts...) but I can't
find it. Any pointers?

Jose
--
You can choose whom to befriend, but you cannot choose whom to love.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

> Depends on when you view this, of course, but at 3:15 PM CST, the view
> from this live web-cam, aimed less than a mile from here, looked like a
> blizzard:
>
> http://webcam.iowa.uiowa.edu/pentacamcur.html

For those of you in the warmer climes (who are no-doubt pining for a
"White Christmas"), I just snapped a few pix of the Inn at night, in
the snow, and updated the previously provided webpage.

See them at:

http://www.alexisparkinn.com/2005_december_snow.htm
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

> Ahhh yes.... 78-79... I remember it also.. school busses didn't run for
> days and days... BUT if you lived in town, (me) you were expected to go to
> school... The township snow plows broke down continually, we had to hire
> the local road construction company to open the road up each morning

Yep, it was the same down in Racine. Unfortunately, I wasn't a "kid"
anymore, having just turned 20. I was driving a truck for the local
newspaper, and they actually sent 4-wheel drive vehicles out to pick us
up at our homes, since none of us could get into work!

The stupid thing was, we were driving 2-wheel drive vans for the paper.
Once we were loaded with over 4000 pounds of newspapers, we were fine
-- NOTHING was going to stop us -- but, at each drop-off point, we grew
lighter, and lighter, until... Guess what? We were STUCK! It
happened day after day, for what seemed like forever.

That winter they worked us full-time, and I was going to college
full-time, too. Between the heavy lifting, the heavy work schedule,
and the continual shoveling of snow at my folks house, I finally got
very, very sick -- probably the sickest I've ever been. I still didn't
miss work, but I thought I was going to die. That was just a God-awful
winter...

> Driving was just spooky. We were just kids, but we thought the snow would
> come falling down, burying the car as we rode along.

The piles on the sides of the county roads were taller than the very
jacked-up, super-sized Ford vans we drove. It was the most amazing
thing any of us had ever seen -- it felt like driving in a snowy
version of a World War I trench system.

What's really amazing is to realize that the newspaper had hired a
bunch of teenage boys to drive these trucks everywhere, delivering
bundles to the paperboys. Think of the liability! Of course, no one
thought that way, back then, and everything worked out fine -- but I
had a grand total of one year with a driver's license when they hired
me to drive for them! (I drove for them from age 17 to 20.)

I've got pictures (somewhere?) of my parent's home in that blizzardy
winter, showing the snow drifts up to the roof line. It was literally
possible to walk right onto the roof of the house. Most amazing thing
I ever saw.

And -- remember this? -- the scientists and media types were all
warning us of the impending Ice Age, thanks to all the pollution in the
air! My, how times have changed...

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

>
> Even managed to get in some approaches LOL today.

Me too. I just got back from doing 6 approaches in a C170B. The further
west we flew the closer that nasty stuff Montblack referred to came to us.
So we kept moving east to stay VFR. Shot one ILS IFR, then headed south to
clearer weather to finish with some GPS and VOR approaches. Ground
visibility was 10. 2000 feet up, visibility was about 5 with light snow.
No ice or freezing rain. I suspect as the evening wears on, the flakes will
get bigger. As I look out the window now, ground vis is about 1 1/2 miles
in a frosty fog with very fine snow falling.

Glad I got some flying in before it got this ugly.

Jim

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message >
snip....
>I lived in Wisconsin, on the shores of Lake Michigan, for 39 years
> (including that awful, endless winter of '78-'79), so I know about snow
> -- but IMHO people are just plain nuts to live where snow depth is
> measured in yards...

Ahhh yes.... 78-79... I remember it also.. school busses didn't run for
days and days... BUT if you lived in town, (me) you were expected to go to
school... The township snow plows broke down continually, we had to hire
the local road construction company to open the road up each morning so we
could haul feed to our cattle. Some days they actually had to use a front
end loader and scoop the snow out of the road because it was too deep to
plow.

We used snowmobiles to check the cattle and break paths through the snow for
them so they could walk to water and feed. The deep snow was too much work
for the horses. In town where our feedlot is, the roof collapsed when it
started warming up and killed a couple head.

Back in those days the local telephone lines were on poles, shorter than
power poles, and the drifts were higher than the poles along side of the
road. The snow ripped many of the lines down, so the phones in certain
areas were out for almost a month.

Driving was just spooky. We were just kids, but we thought the snow would
come falling down, burying the car as we rode along. Funny though, we were
never afraid of the snow tunnels and the snow caves collapsing on us! After
the snow was piled up along driveways and in parking lots we'd attack it
with shovels, digging tunnels through it or making caves. I remember one we
made that had several rooms connected by tunnels. One room had heat and
lights provided by a homemade burner made of a tin can stuffed with rolled
up cardboard soaked in parafin wax.


Glad I was a kid during that winter, we genuenly had a blast. Each day
before and after a short school day, all of us "towny" kids would grab our
shovels to run off to shovel peoples driveways, sidewalks, and roof tops.
Of course we'd spend the money just as fast as we made it.

Jim

"Flyingmonk" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> Mike wrote:
>>It always seemed odd to me that skis do not require at least an
>>endorsement.
>>There is infinately more variability in snow than in water..
>
> How do they(skiplanes and amphips) stop w/o breaks? Do they just wait
> until the momentum is used up?
>
> You're not thinking about putting the Mit on skis are you Mike?
>

I've thought about skis for the Helio but, during the portion of the year
when the skis would be useful, the weather poor aroung here with a lot of
icing.

Mike
MU-2

Snow can go from hard enought to drive oil rig over to soft enough to sink
up to your waist with snowshoes on. The density can vary by a factor of
almost 100. The coefficient of friction can also vary greatly. It is
opaque and can hide obstacles better than water. Finally, it can overlay
water and if you land on it, you are stuck until spring when your airplane
may sink to the bottom of the lake! Read some books on bush flying to
visualize the challenges that ski operations can present..

Mike
MU-2


"Peter Duniho" > wrote in message
...
> "Mike Rapoport" > wrote in message
> ink.net...
>> It always seemed odd to me that skis do not require at least an
>> endorsement. There is infinately more variability in snow than in water..
>
> Granted, not having flown a skiplane I admit I only know half the
> equation. However, it would surprise me if snow is even significantly more
> variable than water, never mind "infinitely".
>
> The extremely wide variety of landing conditions water presents is one of
> the primary challenges of flying seaplanes.
>
> Whether skiplanes should require their own rating or not, that's a
> different issue. But I am inclined to disagree with any implication that
> skiplanes are somehow MORE challenging than seaplanes.
>
> Pete
>

We recieved more than that in about an hour yesterday.

Mike
MU-2
Idaho


"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>> Not sure where it states that it technically needs to be winter for snow
>> accumulation. :-)
>
> Here's what the place looks like -- and there's more snow on the way!
>
> http://www.alexisparkinn.com/2005_december_snow.htm
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>

> Me too. I just got back from doing 6 approaches in a C170B.

Wait a minute -- this took a while to sink in: What the heck are you doing
in a Cessna taildragger, Jim?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

> We recieved more than that in about an hour yesterday.

Yes, but you're living where no human ever intended to live, Mike...

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

>> -19C, Holy Cow!
>
> That's not even cold.

For sure.

I'll bet 'monk was thinking that was -19 F...?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

> Our daughter was born in the UP. I still have fond memories of
> the area & looking back, the time we spent there was quite idyllic.
> The UP is a beautiful area with beautiful lakeshores, forests,
> waterfalls and there are plenty of outdoor activities to enjoy year
> around.

For sure the UP is a little (okay, big) piece of backwoods heaven. I've
explored it by motorcycle, by cross country skis, and by airplane. It's a
very cool place to visit.

But I sure wouldn't want to live there in winter. Unless you live and
breathe snowmobiles, there ain't diddly-squat else to do.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Well Jay, According to the forcast for southern WI, it looks like its
gonna be less than 10% chance of precipitation this coming week.

Snow is OK until Xmas. But I hate temps below 20 degrees, and don't need
either after xmas as far as I'm concerned.

John

Flyingmonk wrote:

> How do they(skiplanes and amphips) stop w/o breaks?

Well, some of them do break.

> Do they just wait
> until the momentum is used up?

Oh. You meant *brakes*. Yeah, you have to plan ahead and coast to a stop.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

Jay Honeck wrote:
>>>-19C, Holy Cow!
>>
>>That's not even cold.
>
>
> For sure.
>
> I'll bet 'monk was thinking that was -19 F...?

Either is cold when the high here today was 85....

Jay Honeck wrote:

> For those of you in the warmer climes (who are no-doubt pining for a
> "White Christmas"), I just snapped a few pix of the Inn at night, in
> the snow, and updated the previously provided webpage.

You call part of the inn the "airport building"?

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:Hwskf.600131$_o.123870@attbi_s71...
> > Our daughter was born in the UP. I still have fond memories of
> > the area & looking back, the time we spent there was quite idyllic.
> > The UP is a beautiful area with beautiful lakeshores, forests,
> > waterfalls and there are plenty of outdoor activities to enjoy year
> > around.
>
> For sure the UP is a little (okay, big) piece of backwoods heaven. I've
> explored it by motorcycle, by cross country skis, and by airplane. It's a
> very cool place to visit.
>
> But I sure wouldn't want to live there in winter. Unless you live and
> breathe snowmobiles, there ain't diddly-squat else to do.

Oh yea, bars and ice fishing eh.

> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
>

On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 13:59:17 -0700 Newps wrote:
>> Marc wrote:
>> -19C, Holy Cow!
>
> That's not even cold.

Something makes me think the people on the photos here would agree ;-)

http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/jacara/diaries2005/gallery2005.html

Karsten

It was just a brain-fart on my part. For some unknown reason I thought
that I has to add -32F to that -19C number. I'm getting
senial(spell?) in/durring my mid-life crissis.

Jim Burns:
Funny though, we were
never afraid of the snow tunnels and the snow caves collapsing on us!
After
the snow was piled up along driveways and in parking lots we'd attack
it
with shovels, digging tunnels through it or making caves. I remember
one we
made that had several rooms connected by tunnels. One room had heat
and
lights provided by a homemade burner made of a tin can stuffed with
rolled
up cardboard soaked in parafin wax.

Thanks Jim, I remember THAT winter I was 12 yrs old, we did the same
thing and also my friend's dad pulled us along on pbluic roads as we
rode on a sled. I miss being young. This year I'm gonna help my
daughters w/ their igloo and snowman for sure.

I've seen pictures of the Helio w/ skis, but I bet retracting the skis
on the Mit would be interesting.

Yeah I meant brakes. I thought they just throw the angkor(spell?) out
the window when they're ready to stop. :<)

Yeah, I saw a Discovery Channel thinghy on that. Brrrrrrrrrr Cold.....

> You call part of the inn the "airport building"?

Yeah, the building closest to the runway we call the "Airport Building".
The building with the tower we call the, uh, "Tower Building"...

Not too imaginative, but functional...

(We also have named the hallways now, believe it or not. Our newest -- the
"Hall of Heroes" -- is decorated with photos and paintings of famous pilots.
And the second floor of the Airport Building, outside the Amelia Earhart
Suite, is the "Women's Floor" -- with all women pilots of note...)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Dave Stadt wrote:
> Oh yea, bars and ice fishing eh.
>
Houghton is home to Michigan Tech University. There are many
academic, technical and cultural activities to participate and enjoy.
Granted that if you are not into outdoor sports and activities like
skiing, snowshoeing, sledding, ice fishing or ice climbing - (Yes,
quite a few hardy souls do that. One research assistant that I knew
trained year around to prepare for his M. Everest climb) winter can be
rough. For the rest of the year, it is a fantastic resort place. Last
year, a guy at work retired, bought some land and built a vacation home
there. He stays in NY only during the harshest part of winter.

Hai Longworth

Jay, Jay, you are getting old. A little red-headed dynamo that can melt the
snow off the roof and you don't know what else to do in the winter?

Sheesh.

Jim



>
> But I sure wouldn't want to live there in winter. Unless you live and
> breathe snowmobiles, there ain't diddly-squat else to do.
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>

Sort of reminds me of the old story about the 6-story building with the sign
out in front: "Woman Pleasing Building". Of course, a gaggle of women went
in the door and were met with the sign: "You can enter any floor you wish,
but once the door closes behind you, you cannot return to the floor below."

The first floor also had the sign, "The men on this floor are poor, ugly,
and are hung short and thin."

Well, thinks the women, the next floor up must be better than this.

Floor 2: "The men on this floor are rich, ugly, and are hung short and
thin."

Floor 3: "The men on this floor are rich, handsome, and are hung short and
thin."

Floor 4: "The men on this floor are rich, handsome, and are hung long and
thin."

Floor 5: "The men on this floor are rich, handsome, and are hung long and
thick." "Wow", say the women, "How much better is floor 6 going to be?"

Floor 6: "This floor is empty and is only here to prove that there is no
pleasing a woman."


Jim

> (We also have named the hallways now, believe it or not. Our newest --
> the "Hall of Heroes" -- is decorated with photos and paintings of famous
> pilots. And the second floor of the Airport Building, outside the Amelia
> Earhart Suite, is the "Women's Floor" -- with all women pilots of note...)

Yeah, it took an extra hour this morning to get the hot tub up to where it
was bearable. It got all the way down to 29F last night. {;-)

Jim



"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:_tskf.600111$_o.484231@attbi_s71...
>>> -19C, Holy Cow!
>>
>> That's not even cold.
>
> For sure.

Jay Honeck wrote:
> Since we moved to Iowa in '97, getting a "White Christmas" has always been a
> dicey affair. Regular warm(ish) weather fronts and little snow has pretty
> much been the rule, and we often had a "brown Christmas" -- much to the
> dismay of my kids.
>
> This year is looking dramatically different. We've already had temperatures
> below zero throughout the Midwest, we've already had two significant
> snowfalls -- with more predicted for today -- and it's not even technically
> "winter" yet...
Meteorological winter starts December 1.
>
> Snowmobilers, skiers, and kids are ecstatic -- and that ski-plane conversion
> kit isn't looking so silly, either!
>
> :-)

Jay Honeck wrote:
>>>-19C, Holy Cow!
>>
>>That's not even cold.
>
>
> For sure.
>
> I'll bet 'monk was thinking that was -19 F...?
-19 C is cold
0 C is cold
10 C is cold
25 C is about right

Margy

no snow here Jay.. but a "Dry" cold front did pass through.. was shirt
sleeve weather working outside on the plane in the morning (Saturday).. and
then about 1pm the north breeze picked up...

today is chilly with a northerly breeze.. computer says outside air is 49F
with bright sunshine. supposed to get down to 31F tonight.. they have a
"freeze warning" posted.

BT

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>> Not sure where it states that it technically needs to be winter for snow
>> accumulation. :-)
>
> Here's what the place looks like -- and there's more snow on the way!
>
> http://www.alexisparkinn.com/2005_december_snow.htm
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>

> Jay, Jay, you are getting old. A little red-headed dynamo that can melt
> the snow off the roof and you don't know what else to do in the winter?
>
> Sheesh.

Sorry, man. I don't know what I was thinking.

Guess I lost my, er, head...

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Flyingmonk wrote:
> Yeah I meant brakes. I thought they just throw the angkor(spell?) out
> the window when they're ready to stop. :<)

You mean anchor?

There are other places to see this sort of thing, but check out the movie "The
Edge." There's a scene where the pilot brings a Beaver in to a dock perfectly.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

George Patterson wrote:
>You mean anchor?

Yeah I meant anchor. Gues I was thinking of Cambodia's Angkor Wat :<)


>There are other places to see this sort of thing, but check out the movie "The
>Edge." There's a scene where the pilot brings a Beaver in to a dock perfectly.

That was a great movie w/ what's his name(Hopkins?) and what's his
name(Baldwin?) where the black dude with the dreadlocks got eatten by a
bear?

Flyingmonk wrote:

> That was a great movie w/ what's his name(Hopkins?) and what's his
> name(Baldwin?) where the black dude with the dreadlocks got eatten by a
> bear?

Yeah. Before the crash scene, they stop off to talk to somebody at this cabin by
a lake. The Beaver pilot lands on the lake, heads for the dock, and shuts the
engine off at just the right time to coast up to the dock.

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

George wrote:
>Yeah. Before the crash scene, they stop off to talk to somebody at this cabin by a lake. The Beaver pilot lands on the lake, heads for the dock, and shuts the engine off at just the right time to coast up to the dock.

I'll keep a lookout for that the next time I see that movie, which
shouldn't be too long. We rent often enough.

"Mike Rapoport" > wrote in message
ink.net...
>
> > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>> Stubby,
>>
>> Skiplanes are land planes (ASEL or AME), no additional rating is
>> required to fly on skis, although there are enough things that can go
>> wrong that a good checkout is wise.
>>
>> All the best,
>> Rick
>>
>
> It always seemed odd to me that skis do not require at least an
> endorsement. There is infinately more variability in snow than in water..
>
> Mike
> MU-2
>
>
Years ago when working off my lessons, a couple of Cubs on skis came in. The
pilots got out and started pushing them back and forth????

Being the curious student I asked what that was all about.
Seems there is a good amount of friction between the skis and snow/ice
during landing & taxi.
Ahhh Sooo! :-)

Marty

OK,
So what is with the post getting posted twice? I only sent once, another
Outlook prob?
Sheesh

In article >,
"Marty" > wrote:

> "Mike Rapoport" > wrote in message
> ink.net...
> >
> > > wrote in message
> > oups.com...
> >> Stubby,
> >>
> >> Skiplanes are land planes (ASEL or AME), no additional rating is
> >> required to fly on skis, although there are enough things that can go
> >> wrong that a good checkout is wise.
> >>
> >> All the best,
> >> Rick
> >>
> >
> > It always seemed odd to me that skis do not require at least an
> > endorsement. There is infinately more variability in snow than in water..
> >
> > Mike
> > MU-2
> >
> >
> Years ago when working off my lessons, a couple of Cubs on skis came in. The
> pilots got out and started pushing them back and forth????
>
> Being the curious student I asked what that was all about.
> Seems there is a good amount of friction between the skis and snow/ice
> during landing & taxi.
> Ahhh Sooo! :-)

As cross country skiers know, there are different waxes for different
temperatures. Apply the right wax for the temperatures and conditions
and the skis will slide. Use the wrong wax for the temperatures and
conditions and the snow and ice will build up on the bottom of the skis.

> As cross country skiers know, there are different waxes for different
> temperatures. Apply the right wax for the temperatures and conditions
> and the skis will slide. Use the wrong wax for the temperatures and
> conditions and the snow and ice will build up on the bottom of the skis.

As a once-avid cross country skier, I wonder how the aircraft skis are
"waxed"? It's not like you can lean them up against a fence while you apply
the stuff...

Of course, my current set of (now seldom used) skis are a high-tech waxless
design -- so I suppose that must be what they use on aircraft skis?

Shoot, what am I thinking? This is the FAA's territory! They're probably
still using wood...?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Marty" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Mike Rapoport" > wrote in message
> ink.net...
> >
> > > wrote in message
> > oups.com...
> >> Stubby,
> >>
> >> Skiplanes are land planes (ASEL or AME), no additional rating is
> >> required to fly on skis, although there are enough things that can go
> >> wrong that a good checkout is wise.
> >>
> >> All the best,
> >> Rick
> >>
> >
> > It always seemed odd to me that skis do not require at least an
> > endorsement. There is infinately more variability in snow than in
water..
> >
> > Mike
> > MU-2
> >
> >
> Years ago when working off my lessons, a couple of Cubs on skis came in.
The
> pilots got out and started pushing them back and forth????
>
> Being the curious student I asked what that was all about.
> Seems there is a good amount of friction between the skis and snow/ice
> during landing & taxi.
> Ahhh Sooo! :-)
>
> Marty

The skis create quite a bit of friction and when the plane stops they will
melt the snow which then freezes and the plane gets stuck. You haven't
lived until you stand outside the door rocking the plane trying to get it
broken free while the pilot goes to full throttle. Wind chill and blowing
snow reminds one of the Antarctic.

EAA has a ski plane fly-in at Pioneer the end of January every year. If the
weather is conducive it is a fun event. A couple of dozen ski planes will
show up. Free rides and free food.

"john smith" > wrote in message
news:jsmith-8C91CC.08324307122005@news-rdr->
> As cross country skiers know, there are different waxes for different
> temperatures. Apply the right wax for the temperatures and conditions
> and the skis will slide. Use the wrong wax for the temperatures and
> conditions and the snow and ice will build up on the bottom of the skis.

Ever try to hold up a Beaver to wax the skis? Wax is not used on skiplane
skis.

> Ever try to hold up a Beaver to wax the skis? Wax is not used on skiplane
> skis.

I had to read that carefully.
Juxtapose a word or two and the whole meaning changes.

> EAA has a ski plane fly-in at Pioneer the end of January every year. If
> the
> weather is conducive it is a fun event. A couple of dozen ski planes will
> show up. Free rides and free food.

FREE? At an EAA function?

No way!

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:Ft8mf.613851$_o.216783@attbi_s71...
> > EAA has a ski plane fly-in at Pioneer the end of January every year. If
> > the
> > weather is conducive it is a fun event. A couple of dozen ski planes
will
> > show up. Free rides and free food.
>
> FREE? At an EAA function?
>
> No way!
>
> :-)
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"


Yep, believe it or not. Everything is free including a piece of Audrey's
birthday cake.

> Yep, believe it or not. Everything is free including a piece of Audrey's
> birthday cake.

We are so *there* this year.

Thanks for the info...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:szgmf.609594$x96.101789@attbi_s72...
> > Yep, believe it or not. Everything is free including a piece of
Audrey's
> > birthday cake.
>
> We are so *there* this year.
>
> Thanks for the info...
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

Basler runs a shuttle.

"Dave Stadt" > wrote

> Yep, believe it or not. Everything is free including a piece of Audrey's
> birthday cake.

Don't tell Cecil about that! <g>
--
Jim in NC

>> Yep, believe it or not. Everything is free including a piece of Audrey's
>> birthday cake.

("Morgans" wrote)
> Don't tell Cecil about that! <g>


Boy, would he be in trouble coming home with [frosting] on his collar.


Montblack